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Hey, Green Future Growers. Welcome to Season 4! I'm your host, JackieMarie Beyer. If you're new to the show, I hope you'll subscribe on iTunes for free or follow on your favorite podcast app and let's get growing. Hey everyone this is JackieMarie Beyer, your host here to help inspire you on your journey to create, grow, and enjoy a green, organic oasis. So let's get growing!

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JackieMarie Beyer

Welcome to the GREEN Organic Garden. It is Friday, January 7th, 2022. And I have an awesome guest on the line. She has a blog called the whole mommy handbook, which covers a range of topics. Motherhood's style, food, travel, home wellness, and she just, she has an awesome Instagram and she wrote a book called Nora doesn't eat right,

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Nor doesn't eat that.

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JackieMarie Beyer

Well, it doesn't eat that. And she's just here today to talk to us about all the great things she's got going on. I know she's going to drop tons of golden seeds and we're going to learn a lot. So welcome to the show, Jen.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Thank you so much,

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JackieMarie Beyer

Jen. Petrina an H how do I say your name? Jen

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Katrina, and

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JackieMarie Beyer

Welcome to the show. Jen Katrina.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Thank you so much.

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JackieMarie Beyer

So go ahead and tell us just a little bit about yourself.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Yeah. Like you said, I'm the founder of my blog. It's basically a lifestyle blog for not just moms, but just anyone in general who is looking for tips and advice. And I am absolutely figuring all this out as I go. I am not a guru of any kind. So I do love when people comment on my articles and they're like, oh, well this was my experience. Or this is what helped me. So I can learn too from other people. I've also been drawing ever since I was a little kid. So I gone into surface design and illustration. I have a shop on society, six called burgeon and bloom. And I do upload my designs on there and I sell products. I also, as you said, I'm the author of my very first book for children. I was also the illustrator for that book it's available on Amazon.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

And it kinds of, kind of ties into gardening and everything a little bit because the child and the book she doesn't like to eat, and then her parents take her to farmer's market and she's introduced to, you know, eating veggies and, you know, kind of looking at food in a different way. So I thought that was pretty cool. I'm also a wife and a mom of two young girls.

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JackieMarie Beyer

Sorry. I forgot to unmute my mic. Oh, you're fine, Mike, when you're talking, just so I, when it keeps me from interrupting so much, and then also I just, anyway, what I was seeing was no, your daughter's pumpkin and peanut having original names. Like,

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

I mean, those, those are not their real names. No, those are just nicknames. I use to keep everything private. Yeah.

3m 25s

JackieMarie Beyer

And just, and did you say, what did you say? You're a surface? Like, does that mean you like draw on a tablet?

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Yeah. So I have an iPad and then I use an app called procreate and they have like the little pencil, like apple pencil, and then you just physically draw on the, on, on the surface and then you just draw, like you would draw on a piece of paper or paint and there's different brushes and things like that. And you can create whatever design. And then I just upload that up into my shop.

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JackieMarie Beyer

I am so fascinated with that because I actually am an aspiring children's book, illustrator myself, and I just had a critique with a publisher and she was like, you have to learn and master procreate. And then I went into it and I'm totally struggling. So kudos for you for doing a whole book like that. And, and then, and getting your book published. So I love all that. And then we, can you spell the name of your shop just for listeners? Really cool.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Yeah, absolutely. It's burgeoned B U R G E O N. And then, and, and then blue, B L O M.

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JackieMarie Beyer

And you have all sorts of really cool. I saw a lot of your illustrations on there. They're really a lot of nice things. So I always do kind of start out the show talking about now we in to preach, we said you're in San Francisco now, but it's like, where do you grow up? Like I always ask about your first gardening experience. Where were you a kid? Were you an adult? Were you with, and what did you grow?

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Yeah, for sure. So my parents actually really well more my mom, but like both my parents really loved gardening. So I've been in like my front yard, my backyard watching my parents garden from a very young age, from probably five or six. And then it was mostly like roses in the front yard. My dad would dig the holes with a spade. My mom would plant and fertilize the roses. I felt like every weekend we were outside on, you know, in the back or the front gardening something, or at least I was watching them do something. And then the backyard, we had a really large vegetable garden. We had green beans, tomatoes, cucumbers, eggplants, peas. We had all kinds of stuff. And I would go back there occasionally when things were ready and I would pick them from my mom and stuff like that.

5m 40s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

But I was just on gardening forever. Like I, we were always doing it.

5m 46s

JackieMarie Beyer

Oh yeah. You have a garden at your new place now.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Yeah. We have a garden now in my, in our house now in the back.

5m 54s

JackieMarie Beyer

What grew well there this year?

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Oh, tons of tomatoes. I mean, I had like just baskets of tomatoes, mostly cherry too, but we had tons and tons of tomatoes. He did very well. We had cherries, we had early girls, we had celebrity hybrids. We actually, my husband made two garden beds and one is just for the tomatoes. Like we just had so many, it was great.

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JackieMarie Beyer

I love cherry tomatoes. They're my favorite to grow. It was a good year for tomatoes here too. So is there something that maybe didn't go the way you thought it was gonna?

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

I tried bell peppers, I think for the, no, I think I did it once before and they were like, they did not work out. And then I did it again this year, this past summer, and they really just didn't grow. They were like 80 bitty. And then I'm like, well, we don't really get snow or frost here. Some life, let them just go. As long as they're not dead. Let me just see how far he gets. So they actually got a little bit bigger, but they're still pretty green. So I I'd hope that I have these big, you know, bell peppers that I could like pick and eat. And they're like fresh and organic and I didn't really get that. And I saw other people, you know, my other friends who would post pictures on Instagram or whatever, and that is a gorgeous bell peppers. I'm like, what are you doing wrong? So I, I had hoped that that would have worked out better, but it didn't. So hopefully, maybe next year

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JackieMarie Beyer

I incurred these Johnny nor Delo peppers this year that were like long and skinny, but super sweet and super red. And they were like prolific. Like I just got a ton of them. They were really good. And they send that. If you drive them, you can like grind them into paprika. So I'm going to try that.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Oh, cool.

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JackieMarie Beyer

How did you learn how to garden organically? Like did, is that how your parents did it or,

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Oh yeah. I mean, I'm, again, I'm not an expert on that either, but I definitely watched them a lot. I felt like the passion that they had and if we weren't gardening in our garden, we were like at the nursery buying flowers, buying, you know, steer manure. Like I knew what that was when I was six or seven years old. I'm like, why does it smell so bad now? I know. But it was just, you know, a lot of buying flowers and buying herbs and vegetables. And we had fruit trees in our backyard. And honestly, it was just a lot of observation and watching them do it. And to me, it was very normal. I thought every family went every weekend to the nursery or practically every weekend and planted stuff and, you know, had fruit trees in my backyard. And when I got older, I'm like, no, this is not everyone's experience.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

And when I got older, actually my parents would be like, okay, get up early. And we're going to dig the holes. We're going to do this. I'm like, I don't want to do this on Saturday morning. And then later when I had my own home and my own family and stuff, I was like, I really enjoy this. Like, there's just something about working with earth and, you know, bringing life to something. And I don't know, I just, I enjoy it now. I appreciate it more now. So I hope my kids also see my husband and I will. We do the backyard and, and learn from that too.

8m 45s

JackieMarie Beyer

I know my mom, I didn't like to garden at all. When I was in camp, my mom's still like, how did you end up with a gardening pot? So tell us about something you're excited to try next year. Is there something new you're going to do?

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

I actually have never planted tulips actually. I've never planted any bulb. So I love to have seen them in the spring. They just are always breathtaking. I never get over that, but I've never planted any myself. So I'm definitely eager to try that. I know it's already January, so I don't know if I'm too late. If you could tell me if I am I too late for bulbs,

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JackieMarie Beyer

Most bulbs you plant in the fall, but there's probably some that you can plant in the spring. We haven't, we don't have a lot of tulips, but we have a lot of irises and I, I think you can put irises and in the spring, I'm pretty sure bottom before. Okay.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

I'll try that though.

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JackieMarie Beyer

Yeah. I th I definitely think like two lips and things you have to plant in before.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Yeah. I figured I was probably too late. I still was maybe a little nervous about getting it. Right. But, and now my garden is just, there's like weeds and there's, there's been a lot of rain and moisture and there's just like weeds and all kinds of stuff I need to clean out. So yeah.

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JackieMarie Beyer

Yeah. I totally get like that. I'm like, all right, I'm going to do this. And then here comes like the time to play it, it's gone. And the time, like, I didn't get my, I wanted to transplant a bunch of irises this year and I didn't get that done either. We'll see what happens. There's always things that don't get done. So those are the part of the show we call getting to the root of things. Like, should you have like a least favorite activity to do in the garden? Something had to kind of force yourself to get out there and do.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Yeah. I mean, I, I really don't like weeding. I just, I don't like to see the weeds. I'm eager to get out there and get them done. But then when I start, I'm like, oh God, my back hurts. Or like spreading mulch. I love the look of like a freshly mulched garden, but then the work of like bending over, literally just spreading it for like, I mean, at least two hours, it's just like, I'll have to lay down or sit there. Like my whole back will just start. Maybe I'm my posture is not correct, but yeah, those two things.

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JackieMarie Beyer

No, I totally get that. Am I getting our mulch? Like we usually strong. It's super itchy too. I'm lucky if I can spend 20 minutes on any task or two hours, 20 minutes is about my, my like stretch and any garden activity, but I'm looking, my husband on the flip side, like spends the whole day out there. So most of our food what's. So on the flip side, what's your favorite activity to do in the garden?

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

I like watching my daughters, like when we had tomatoes, I like watching them go and say, oh, you know, go grab some red tomatoes. Whatever's red, just go grab it and just watching them do it. And they really enjoy it and infusing that joy of gardening in them while they're young, like what I had and yeah, and just like my husband, I will sit out there sometimes the backyard and hang out. And w when we had flowers in the summer, just sitting out there and just enjoying the peace of nature and the beauty of the flowers, even if it's like a tiny little flower coming out, just getting really excited about seeing that.

11m 44s

JackieMarie Beyer

I love that my husband and I wrote a book called the organic Oasis guide book. And that's kind of like our tool to make, like, help people build a space that they want to hang out in and want to be out there in. Cause I think that's so important. I love that. You're getting your kids involved. And I do tell people a lot, like if your kids, when they're teenagers are resisting and they really just like, keep sharing your passion. Cause so many of my guests have said like their parents or their grandparents, like tried to get them interested. And all they wanted to do was go drive around with their friends and didn't have any interest. But because their parents like, you know, shared that when they were kids, then as they became adults that they enjoyed, it kind of sounds like a lot like you guys.

12m 28s

JackieMarie Beyer

Yeah. So Jen, what's the best gardening advice you've ever received.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Definitely just keep trying, because nature finds a way. Nature finds a way somehow.

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JackieMarie Beyer

Do you have an example of that you want to share with us? You don't have to.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

No, no, no. I'm just thinking. Yeah, no, I actually have my husband built a trellis cause I was like, I have to have morning Lori's I have. So he built a trust. I think it was two. I think it was before the pandemic, he built it. And so he put it up and I planted these morning, glory feeds. I placed planning, different things. They came up and you know, they die and you sort of start over. And so recently I think it was like last spring, I planted a bunch of morning glory seeds and nothing sprouted. And we get really hot summers here and morning glories, light and heat, you know? So I'm like, okay, they'll come look up. Nothing came. And then I think it was September, October, I see these little sprouts coming up and it was like kind of starting to get a little bit cold by then. And I'm like, wait, what? And they came up and they're still coming up a little bit. So, I mean, I don't think they're going to become anything because that was pretty cool, but right.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Like I was like, oh, they're done. I have to try again next year. And they sprouted. I'm like, okay, major points away. It's meant to.

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JackieMarie Beyer

And I love the way you said like killing things because I have friends that I was helping with her garden this year and she was just like all the time. So it was like, I killed it and what's going wrong. And I'm like, just things die things. Don't always, I'm like, do you know how many Rosemary plants I've killed? Like, I've never got one. You're like, you know, I put it in the dirt and like, while it's growing, I, you know, or while it's there, I like pick the fresh stuff. And then, you know, as soon as it dies, I like, you know, pick all the dead needles off, put them in a jar. And then I have dried Rosemary and just, I was like, some things are just hard to grow some things. And other people like I've this neighbor. She, she has like the most beautiful Rosemary plants. It drives me crazy. And then the other one I've been struggling with my listeners know I've been trying to grow blueberries for like three years now and I cannot get a blueberry to take off last year.

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JackieMarie Beyer

The only one that actually like even came close to thrive. I don't even know if I'd say thriving, cause certainly didn't produce any berries, but like was still alive at the end of the season was the one that was still in the bucket. Once I put it in the ground, I could never, like, I just kept moving it and like, am I going to put it here? Am I going to put it there? Like trying to figure out what bed and it never it's still like out under the, I don't know where it is. Cause I probably took the, it was under like ground cover type what's that stuff called row cover like a cloth I had to buy. I had this kale bed that I tried to put row cover over, so I wouldn't get bugs, but like I forgot to cover them up like three different nights. And they still ended up with tons of holes in the leaves.

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JackieMarie Beyer

That's one of my big challenges is getting kale that I don't care. I don't mind eating it if it has bug holes. But like if you're ever going to try to like go to market or I was going to, you know, like I've been thinking about starting like a salad club and like selling salads and jars and you can't put kale with bug holes. You can't, I don't know how people like, I'm just like, I'm at this point. I'm like, so I tried the, when you put the, what do they call it? The micro, I don't know the bugs that you buy in the ground and I that one year. And then last year I covered them up with row cover almost every single day. They were like three nights, but I did not remember to cover it back up and still just, they just decimate, like I had a horrible Pilgrim again last year.

15m 53s

JackieMarie Beyer

Anyway, do you have a fever tool that you like to use? Like if you had to move in, can only take one tool with you. What would that?

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

I really love my Pfister's sheers. Like they have been so solid and so amazing. I mean, Fiskars of course is like the name and sheers, but I bought them and I thought, okay, you know, I'll use them for printing and stuff, but I've cut like branches of my tree. Like I they're amazing. And I love them.

16m 18s

JackieMarie Beyer

Definitely a good pair of shears improvement or like essential. How about a favorite recipe you liked to cook or eat? Or what, what have you like is Nora after like, is your book like after one of your kids is like a real life experience? Like where you had a child, she was a really picky eater.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Yeah. Yeah. My older daughter, she was, it was a very, very dark time. My husband and I, but she's much better now, but yeah, she was quite

16m 44s

JackieMarie Beyer

And, and so what, what is your oldest daughter like to eat or when it what's a favorite recipe from your garden?

16m 51s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

Well, so like I said earlier, we had a ton of tomatoes and so my husband mentioned like, oh, I made tomato jam once. And for some reason, I don't remember in the last night, like I'd never heard of tomato jam. So I just looked up some recipes and I thought, well, I could do it go sweet or it grew savory and savory kind of sounded more fun. Right. So I just looked up a recipe and I made spicy tomato jam and it was really easy. I have a recipe for on my blog and we would just spread it on crackers or we would just eat it straight. Like, and the whole family loved it. It was really great. I definitely look forward to doing that again this summer when we have more tomatoes.

17m 24s

JackieMarie Beyer

Hmm. I'm going to check that recipe out. That sounds good. How about a favorite internet resource? Where do you find yourself surfing on the web?

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Honestly, like Pinterest is just the main hub for me. I'm looking at recipes, DIY projects, burdening ideas. You can get everything from there. And then I've, I've come to find so many great blogs and bloggers just through Pinterest because you're like, oh, that little recipe looks fuller. That photo at school. Let me click on that. Whoa, look at this amazing plug. Let me explore that. So I've done that so many times and have felt connected to so many other people out there either with my same interests or totally different interests that I am interested in learning more about.

18m 6s

JackieMarie Beyer

Sweet. Yeah. There's tons of great things on Pinterest for sure. Then I love your travel pictures that you have. Like, you have a lot of really cool trouble things on your blog and in your Instagram feed And you've done like some cool travel things on that. What is a burgeon and bloom website, right? Like, are there, I don't know. Maybe I'm not thinking right. Oh, I'm trying to find my questions. Okay. How about a favorite reading material? Like a book or a magazine you can recommend? Yeah,

18m 42s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

There's actually a site I came across, I think couple of years ago it's called the spruce and it just has a lot of home decor and Gordon ideas. It's really simple to navigate, but it's a very beautiful elegant site. And I mean, especially for your listeners

18m 53s

JackieMarie Beyer

Worthy, right? Like, oh yeah, yeah. Their stuff is totally vetted. And like, if you see it on the spirits, you can pretty much like that's one of my goals to write an article for this first someday.

19m 3s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

I'm sure you could, you have a lot of credentials, but the podcast and your YouTube channel and everything, I'm sure they would love to hear it from you.

19m 9s

JackieMarie Beyer

Well, I just started reading an article like once a month for my local paper. So I'm getting like my biggest struggle with my website is taking, like, I've always just basically transcribed my shows and like trying to figure out how like developing my voice and how to change, turn what I feel like. And I even started to write this book called rockstar millennial, and just like, it's just, it just like, I feel like everything falls flat. Like what I find exciting when I listened to my interviews. I don't know. Anyway, but yeah, I love the spruce. That is a great, that's an awesome, I don't think anybody's recommended that.

19m 47s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

Yeah. I, I accidentally came across this. I'm like, how did I not know about the site? It's just such a great site.

19m 53s

JackieMarie Beyer

Yeah, it is. So, wow. We're at my final question already. So Jen, if there's one, well wait, before we go there, let's talk about your book. Tell us more about the Nora doesn't like to eat book

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

Nor does it eat that. Yes. So I actually self-published on Amazon. It was a big step for me because I didn't know anything about self publishing. It was very new for me. There was a huge, huge learning curve, but I knew this was something I wanted to do for a really long time. I conceived the story about five years ago when my daughter was really, you know, still a very picky eater and it just came to me like I've always liked writing, obviously I'm when I blog, I'm writing a lot. And so I've always liked writing and then I've always, you know, like to draw and I didn't think of the drawing aspect, but I was like, what if there was a story about a little girl who was picky? And like, I don't know, like the story just sort of like grew legs and like became a story in my mind.

20m 48s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

And then I didn't think about it much, but when my daughter was, you know, being such a picky eater, I thought, well, let's go to the library. Maybe we can find a book about it. And I'm sure, I mean, there are a lot of books about, but for whatever reason I didn't come across any. So I thought, well, what if I wrote a story? And then just, I don't know, made it into a book. I was like, how would I even do that? You know? And so I just wrote the story. Like I literally typed out my phone and I kept it put away. I didn't think about the pictures. And then for a long time, I'm like, and I didn't know about procreate literally till last year. So I didn't know like how I was going to bring the pictures to life. And so I just knew I wanted to do it digitally versus like drawing it Spanish or whatever. So then the books just honestly just sat for like five years and then randomly, you know, my husband bought me an iPad for Christmas last year.

21m 30s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

And then I was like, wait a minute. I can draw pictures, wait a minute. My book, like, it all just was like a domino effect. And then I found out about procreate through a designer. I follow on Instagram and I'm like procreate something like a real, like, like the industry standard, you know? So I told my husband about it and he's also a really good artist. So he was really into it. So he's like, yeah, let's just buy the app. So I bought the app and I was just scribbling away and just like doodling, like I had no idea it was just doodling. And I thought, why don't I just start drawing some rough pictures for this book? And I pull out the story, you know, on my phone and I'm looking at it and drawing some scenes. I'm like, I think I could do this. Like, I don't know how long it's gonna take, but I think I can do this like this year. And so I drew all the pictures and it was grueling. It was like so good to work, but it was worth it. And then I, you know, laid it all out in Photoshop.

22m 13s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

And then I was just learning, honestly, as I went in regards to how self publishing works, the, the technical side of it and uploading like all of it, it was, it was a huge learning curve for me and a lot of reading and stuff and watching videos and just trying to figure out what to do. And then my book was worn and it was really fun to draw because also along with throwing, I really enjoy drawing food specifically. I don't know what it is. Even as a young kid, like seven or eight. I remember just sitting in drawing like doodles of like veggies and fruits and like, whatever, like just food. I don't know why I've just always liked doing that. And so I like that food is a central theme of my story. There's like pretty much, I wouldn't say food on every page, but it's pretty much there.

22m 56s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

And it's about a girl who doesn't like to eat when she goes to the farmer's market and is introduced to veggies and, and any way of thinking about food. So I have a lot of fun with it. Yeah. I hope parents can read it and relate to it. I've had, you know, people buy the book and they're like, yeah, you know, I get this, my kid went through this phase. So it's, it's been a very rewarding experience, very rewarding. And I hope to write some more books. I'm not sure if this will be a series, but I definitely don't want this to be my last book.

23m 26s

JackieMarie Beyer

And I won the way it promotes farmer's markets and kids eating healthy, fresh food, because like, so I'm an elementary educator by trade. And so many parents tell me, they're like, oh, kids are like cafeteria workers or are like, oh, kids are not going to eat carrot sticks or celery sticks. If they don't have a ranch dressing, unload CR AP, I mean, not true. And like, and, and like, you're seeing like kids trip. I just loved that. And I went to the farmer's market this summer and had a very similar experience. I just, I love the whole farmer. I wrote a story about a little girl. Who's like Mo goes to the farmer's market with her mom every week. They have like a honey stand and sell honey.

24m 9s

JackieMarie Beyer

And she gets to like, you know, for helping her mom, she gets like her dollar. And she's like goes to all the different vendors and tries to figure out where to spend her dollar. That's just sitting in. I don't know. I am sure there was like this Montana contest. And you had to like, write something about Montana summer. And that was the story that like I wrote like six different stories. And that was the one that went from start to finish. Fantastic. But yeah. And I love that you taught yourself procreate. That gives me kind of cause like I've opened it up several times and I'm just totally. And then somebody sent me some YouTube videos to watch, but as my listeners know, I'm kind of having this like, like, like magnetic thing with my, you know, like polar opposite.

24m 50s

JackieMarie Beyer

Like just can't be on my computer anymore than actually have to. And so I can't bring myself to watch those videos. I'm really struggling. But you found an Instagrammer, huh? That's said shows you, I might check that out.

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Jen Kathrina-Anne

She is, she doesn't show how to, how to do it. But she mentioned like, oh, I made this on procreate. And I was like, what's procreate. And then I just like, then I researched procreate on my own a little bit. So I have a graphic design background. I actually have a degree in graphic design. So I'm not coming from like zero. Like I, I know Photoshop. I know Adobe illustrator. Like I have that background.

25m 22s

JackieMarie Beyer

Yeah. You off right there. Cause Photoshop, oh man, I have to go from procreate to Photoshop.

25m 29s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

So I, I don't want you to feel like, oh, you just need to jump in and know procreate. Like I came from that background a little bit. So when I opened procreate, did I yet know how to use it? No, but did I have a sort of a, a setup for like how to navigate it? I kind of did so. Yeah, but I, I don't follow anyone who like shows you how to use procreate. I would love to find someone who does that. I just researched like articles about it just real quick. And then this girl that I follow, she does surface design as well. So I can see what's possible. I she's an amazing artist. I would love to draw like her, but I can see what's possible in the app. So that does inspire me.

26m 6s

JackieMarie Beyer

And like the lady I talked to you, she told me like, what I've to do is like scan in my watercolor paintings that I've done is appropriate and then work with them from there. But I hadn't even thought about trying to just draw something from scratch. That might be a new thing for me to try. Anyway, my listeners probably are not interested in this at all. They want to hear about how to grow vegetables. So here's my final question. If there's one change you would like to see to create a greener world, what would it be? For example, is there a charity organization, your passionate about or project you'd like to see put into action? Like what do you feel is the most crucial issue facing our planet in regards to environment and go locally, nationally, or on a global scale

26m 52s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

In regards to a change for a greener world? I really love the idea of urban gardening. I'm I've only heard about, I've never seen it for myself. I just love the concept, having a green garden in a city space for the locals to come in and work as community to grow their own fresh fruits and veggies. This also of course contributes to the environment, but it also provides fresh produce to food insecure communities. I mean, I, I heard recently that there are communities where you have to drive miles just to get to a regular supermarket, to buy fruits and veggies like that is unacceptable. You know? And then these people cannot eat fresh food that we humans, like we all need that, you know? And so for them to grow their own food, it's not just about, oh, we get food, but it's like a community project.

27m 35s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

You know, you can get multiple generations of monuments, a beautiful thing. You know, the people in the neighborhood Pinchin kids can learn from an early age about where food comes from and how to make healthier food choices. I think that's a huge, I mean, it'll have a ripple effect that will reverberate for, for a while. I think that's a beautiful concept in regards to a crucial issue facing our planet. I definitely feel if we composted more, it would make a huge difference in global warming food scraps that end up in landfills don't decompose, but they do produce methane gas, right. Which does contribute massively to the greenhouse effect. And so if we could take the food scraps and compost them, we can just eliminate that.

28m 15s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

You know, if we all did our part, if that's possible, fortunately for me here in the California bay area, we do have compost bins alongside garbage and recycling. So we do through our, excuse me, our food scraps and you know, our, our cuttings from the garden and things like that in there. And so that all gets contributed to the city and then the city produces the compost. And then on certain days of the year, we can actually go to a particular location in the city and pick up compost for free up to three bags of compost for free. So I did do that, I think back in September. So I have some compost sitting there for the spring, but I mean, I think if we composted more, I think it would just cause climate change is real and it's very, very serious. And people, I used to think I was also wrong about this.

28m 55s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

I think that, oh, if I throw food away, oh, it's food. It'll go back to the earth. But if it's stuck under mounds of garbage, it cannot decompose the way it's supposed to. And I'll actually have a negative effect. So if people could compost more, if possible, or even in their backyard in the bucket, you know, I think it would help a lot.

29m 13s

JackieMarie Beyer

Jen, I love that so much. Well, go ahead and tell us there's how they can connect with you and follow you on Instagram or follow your blog or find you on Pinterest.

29m 23s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

Yeah. So on Instagram. Well, my blog is hot of, I don't know if you want me to spell it. Do you want me to spell it out and it probably

29m 32s

JackieMarie Beyer

Should get on a podcast to spell things.

29m 35s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

Okay. So it's H a U T E M O M M Y H a N D B O O k.com. That's my blog. And then you can just follow me on Instagram at the H M handbook. And I have links to my shop on there, links to my blog links to my book. Yeah. That's probably the easiest way to go.

30m 4s

JackieMarie Beyer

Awesome. Thank you so much for sharing with us today and just have a wonderful day and enjoy your winter. And I will send you

30m 11s

Jen Kathrina-Anne

The link when it's up. Thank you so much. I thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. It was a lot of fun. Oh, cool.

30m 17s

JackieMarie Beyer

Well thank you.